BoldLife 2.0 James Tryon – – Canadian Dad-Like Trolling


James Tryon of on community contribution through a cute mascot

James Tryon, curator of the Wapuu archive explains the process of being a benevolent troll during his design process for BoldGrid’s official Wapuu Mascot, Boldie the Gridly Bear.

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Demo: 00:01 Hello and welcome to this week’s BoldGrid bold life podcast. I’m your cohost Mike Demo, joined by my wonderful cohost to Jesse. How you doing?

Jesse: 00:10 Right? I just got back from the dentist and I’m still a little numbed up. So if I failed to enunciate a hope, everyone forgives me.

Demo: 00:20 Went to the dentist. That sounds like a wonderful way to start a weekend.

Jesse: 00:23 Yeah, I’m, I’m, I’m not super comfortable, Mike. I’m not going to lie.

Demo: 00:28 Okay.

Demo: 00:29 Well you, uh, hang in there and we’ll try to make this as painless as possible, uh, but hopefully laughing and won’t hurt. Yeah. On that note, we are pleased to welcome James Try on who owns a couple of companies, but we’re here to talk about Wapuus and his wife who website, how you doing James? Doing fantastic. How are you guys? Great. So James, tell us about what or is a pronounced just Wapuus or,

James Tryon: 01:00 yeah. Uh, so I will say that’s probably one of the, uh, interesting branding situations I’ve gotten myself in. It’s technically Wapuus plural, but since Wapuus, Wapuu, is a Japanese word, they don’t have the plural language, it would be two Wapuu, not Wapuus in Japan. So, uh, the rest of the world thinks it’s So it’s, it was actually meant to be the plural version.

Demo: 01:31 So it would be two Wapuu, not “wapui?”

James Tryon: 01:35 uh, exactly.

Demo: 01:39 To those of you that don’t know what is or who is Wapuu?

James Tryon: 01:43 Uh, so Wapuu is the unofficial official mascot of WordPress, um, Wapuu, uh, started around 2009, I think maybe 2011. I have to check the history about Matt Mullenweg was in Japan and working in Tokyo when they were looking to get the community more involved. And as one of the suggestions from the crowd was let’s get a mascot. So, uh, a woman by the name of Kazuko Kaneuchi, uh, help design the Wapuu at the original Wapuu, and released it under the GPL and open source to give back to the WordPress community. Uh, and since then, um, WordCamps of have embraced Wapuu, uh, and now I do say unofficial official, uh, because we, I actually talked to Matt Mullenweg a little bit about this. If we made it the official mascot, we would have to then apply for a trademark and we would have to enforce trademarks and it would almost, uh, I believe hurt the way that it’s set up through GPL. So if we did enforce the, the logo and the trademark, uh, aspects, being an official mascot, we wouldn’t have all the freedoms that we currently have with Wapuu.

Demo: 03:05 So what’s coming onto the GPL? Is it design and the name or just being able to vamp on the design or, cause like a lot of times GPL might give you a license to the code, but maybe not the CSS in a traditional, sense.

James Tryon: 03:20 um, yeah, the, the, the original likeness of Wapuu I believe the original a copyright does still belong to, to Kazuko, but she gave a, you know, she did give it to the community. Uh, and, and it is released under GPL, meaning we can do whatever you want with it. You can take the Wapuu and you can modify it, you can change it, you can leave it as is. You can, you could sell it technically. I mean, you can do whatever you want. There is no restrictions. Or when it comes to actual Wapuu know? You do have a problem if you necessarily have like a logo on the shirt. Like if a Wapuu is holding the WordPress logo, you can’t necessarily sell that Wapuu.

Demo: 04:07 But as a WordPress trademark, oils will still apply it.

James Tryon: 04:10 Yeah, exactly. But if it isn’t, I mean you could still like make things and sell them at cost. Cause that’s what we do with our Wapuu pins. And we’ll probably go into that more later. But technically we do sell leftover swag, but it’s not for profit. It’s for costs. So we’re allowed to, to sell the actual leftover swags. Everyone else can, can get any if they’re interested. But, uh, yeah, it’s, uh, you, you have the ability to create and modify and change, uh, any Wapuu that anyone sees fit to work with your brand or, or promote your community or, uh, like a, uh, you know, we were talking to, with WordCamp, uh, well we talk w WordCamps all the time, but yesterday we were talking to WordCamp Houston about a new Wapuu, uh, and since they have a space program there, they were looking at all the current Wapuu astronauts and they were wondering if they wanted maybe fork one or change the colors or use one from the past and give you back to that original artists by using that Wapuu again, so you know, it, it opens up the opportunity for, for pretty much any WordCamp around the world to have a starting point to like, oh, I would love to do a Wapuu, astronaut, but use our colors and not have to start from the ground up.

Demo: 05:33 Sure. When you were talking to Houston, did you let him know about the bold grade Wapuu WordCamp Orlando Mission Patch that we did?

James Tryon: 05:40 Oh Man, no I didn’t. Uh, I definitely should. I should send them a picture that is one of my favorite Wapuu swag items ever. Uh, it’s the actual, the first patch and I think the only patch so far that we’ve actually been able to for a WordCamp event. But uh, I definitely know it’s not going to be the last,

Demo: 06:03 yeah. So I’m going to back up a little bit. So a lot of times, uh, you guys will make pins for some of your sponsors to give out at WordCamps. Uh, and BoldGrid, you know, has been a sponsor of your website and the database. And I was at the [inaudible] conference last year and they had a space theme and they had mission patches, c panel mission patches. And I loved the idea of that so much. I asked you to make a Wapuu mission patch and what you came up with just as wonderful. And a lot of people seem to really resonate with that at the camp.

James Tryon: 06:37 Uh, yeah, it was great. Everyone liked it. Or then I was also really like the fact that it was able to get a couple inside jokes on to the patch too, because of course, uh, if anyone happens to know who Mike is, you’ll understand, uh, his obsession with, with Disney. Um, so when I was doing the Wapuu patches and it was space themed, it was like, well, Orlando space theme, you have spaceship Earth, then you have space mountain. So I did some research into what Disney has done in the past for pins and I found their representation of spaceship earth and space mountain and old patches, and then added those to our patches. So Wapuu was looking over the horizon at, uh, some Disneyland Rides, uh, if you out. But uh, in the scene of a moon,

Demo: 07:31 I know technically it’s Disneyworld cause owns California.

James Tryon: 07:35 Yeah. See I just lost it. I just a demo point, uh,

Demo: 07:39 yeah, which I’m sure we’ll get to in a bit. But what was your vision does try to start and the database and help people in designing, because you also designed a lot of these pins and you’re also manufacturer them at cost for sponsors and also for WordCamps themselves. How do you get started with this? Cause it’s not you, it’s a passion project. It’s not your main job.

James Tryon: 08:06 Yeah. It’s by no means does it pay the bills. Uh, oh, but I have been lucky enough to use WordPress since 2007, uh, and I’ve been primarily developing around WordPress, uh, since then because of that, uh, I wanted to be able to give back. I also know that I might be a good programmer, but I’m not the best programmer. Uh, and why do I need to compete with, with all these other people who are really good at it when, you know, I know how I’m supposed to do something and I know why, why I’m supposed to do it, but I don’t necessarily understand all of it. I just know you do this and this and the equals this. So I decided to take my skills and uh, help leverage everything that we’ve been doing. Like I’ve, I’ve been involved in WordPress, a WordCamp Orlando since beginning.

James Tryon: 08:56 Uh, and I noticed after doing all this hard work for a year, like those assets are gone. That’s just it. Like, and before we, we had more social media presence. I mean, if you didn’t get pictures somewhere, like that old swag just never existed. No one ever was able to see it, although work was gone. So I wanted to create a source that all the people that are creating WordCamps can start uploading their there Wapuus. I mean originally started with swag, but to be honest, central wasn’t a huge fan of that idea. Uh, mainly because I also had boxes of old swag. I was like, Hey, let’s figure out a way to recycle some of the swag. But they didn’t, they didn’t want any issues or it to be real careful with like leftover swag being shipped and then kind of sold when I was, I mean, the intentions were good, but I understand why it can be a problem. James Tryon: 09:50 So we were like, well, let’s, let’s use this same idea in limited back down to just the design assets created for those WordCamps. So, uh, by doing that, we were able to start grabbing, you know, their Wapuus their logos, actually making a nice history of what camps were aware. I mean, the [inaudible] site is, even though that it does a lot of stuff with who, who’s, it also does a lot of stuff with WordCamps so you can actually, uh, we, I wanted a way to track what WordCamps I’ve been to, which ones I wanted to go to. So there’s a whole tool list of, of being able to detrack all that old history stuff. There was also Wapuus on there that I wanted, like I know that I wasn’t able to go to overseas and there was a couple of German, uh, well I want to say European wall piece that I didn’t have.

James Tryon: 10:36 So I know that if they’re in the archive, I can make a, we all want list and I can try to get those as I go into a more WordCamps. So it was really a passion project to give back to the community. Also fit a need that I had of like, well I kind of feel like I need to collect all of these things. I want to make sure I have all the Wapuu pins. So get started with that. So even though we do make a lot of Wapuus, we are not the original creators of Wapuus, we are more like, uh, I would say it like archivist, like our job is really just to get everything down. We do create them on the way we do help, but our point is is to give back to the community and provide this resource for everyone.

James Tryon: 11:16 So like, like I was talking with Houston, that way they can just use those assets. If we create a Wapuu, we upload the art, the Ai files and e or s SVG files to the website so anyone can can use those as a starting point. Uh, so it really is, it really was a way to give all these little creatures in archives so they’re not lost after that. Two days of hard work. After a year of prep and I allow them to show off. And then allowing people like campers or even like myself who love wallpaper, but know that I can’t get to all the camps so I can then add something from a screenshot or are from Twitter and I can, I can send out some messages, ask who did it, ask what camp it was from, get it to the archive, try to get the resource files, and then if I’m lucky, find someone around the world who actually has that swag and convinced them to bring an extra one too. I can’t pull both

Jesse: 12:13 be at, and we were just talking with, Bridget Willard last week and kind of a similar vein about, you know, uh, I, I’m, I’m a middling programmer at best. Um, so, you know, when I started thinking about giving back to WordPress, you know, contributing to core, how can I compare it to most of the incredibly brilliant people who work on that team? Um, and so, you know, I, I took that as I went and moved towards documentation and training, but you went with a, with a completely different creative method of contribution that, that in, you know, it’s, it’s not code, it’s not anything else, but it contributes to the community. Um, incredibly like everyone knows Wapuus at this point and then everyone knows, you know, everyone knows I want to see what my next camps while

James Tryon: 13:02 there’s going to be out. And if anyone knows me, you know, I’m not the best speller. So documentation, even though I was on that team for a bit, I have not contributed much. You know, it’s mostly going on, contributing days and, and helping with discussions. But yeah, I wanted to just, I mean it shows that there’s, there’s room for everyone to give back. In fact, my work at Miami talk a couple of weeks ago was it was exactly about this. Like, sure [inaudible] is my way of giving back, but documentation can be there. Even just helping volunteer. So making sure that, that every time your local WordCamp happens, you’re helping show people directions or showing up for lunch or helping direct traffic. I mean, that little bit of helping is still a tremendous amount in the greater good. So like you don’t have to be a developer or a programmer designer to give back and get involved. I mean, you, there’s, there’s all types of areas. Uh,

Demo: 14:02 yeah, that’s the thing I tried to always, you know, stress with people that there’s ways you can give to WordPress. You know, maybe you want to do marketing or documentation or volunteer at your local camp. Or now that WordPress does have a nonprofit, a separate nonprofit arm, which allows actual donations to the WordPress foundation separate than the B Corp, which operates the WordCamps and some of the other, from a legal perspective, there are people that can just donate to that if they want to give fiscally. But I am a firm believer that if you make money on an open source project, you need to get back some way. It doesn’t mean you need to give 10% of every invoice to the foundation, but maybe voluntary, your local camp, maybe you work at the happiness bar for a couple hours, maybe you create something new or you join one of the teams and jump into slack once a month. Whatever it is, you should give back to the community if you’re being able to make a living. And

James Tryon: 15:00 we’re still agree and if anyone is looking to get involved in the Wapuu world, like we’re always looking for more volunteers. We’re looking for people to help add content to the archive or, or more people looking to create, walk the, so let’s say you’re a designer or are a starting illustrator and you’re looking to get into the end of the industry. Like I have more walker requests that I can do myself. Uh, and some that are a couple months out I can get to you. But some they’re like, oh, we’re doing something in three weeks. Like there’s no way I can help them, uh, with my current workload. But if, if other people are interested, they’re, I mean, I’m not the only one that does this. There is a handful of us around the u s uh, around the world actually that does a Wapuu creations.

James Tryon: 15:49 Um, you know, this is just something that I liked to do. I, Hey, you know, I don’t own it. I don’t, you know, there isn’t anything there besides volunteering. So if you also want to get involved, I’ll be happy to help. I’ll be happy to provide any original assets I have. Uh, I’ve actually started recording myself when I make them so I can stay focused. It helps me get them done faster. But if anyone is interested in seeing that, you can see that the process of taking a sketch to an illustration file, uh, isn’t the prettiest, you would realize that, oh, like I could do this cause it, you know, it’s a really rough process that you’re fine tuning and cleaning up to something that looks presentable. So, uh, I think it really takes a lot of that, like, that fear and wonder away if, if someone wants to get more involved and, you know, reach out.

Demo: 16:35 Excellent. So let’s talk about the Wapuus that you created for BoldGrid. We’ve created two pieces of swag. One was for WordCamp Europe last year and the other one was for WordCamp. Uh, Orlando. So do you kind of want to talk about, uh, what you created for us and kind of what your thought process was behind each one?

James Tryon: 16:56 Uh, yeah. I mean, my original thought process is just how can I jab demo as much as I can with these things. So, uh, it was in, but I also need it. I look at my like, I don’t want to, in today’s, in today’s, uh, world, the term trolling is bad and I don’t, I don’t think you should pick on anyone. You shouldn’t harass anyone. Uh, but I would look at my type of trolling is almost Canadian or dad, Mike, where it’s not really hurting anyone and it’s fun and, and it’s all a lot of out of smiles, you know, so like I know how much do I really likes Disney, but I also know the theme. So I look at it as like a challenge. Like how can I accomplish this? How can I make the brand happy to, cause the last thing we wanna do is, is make the company BoldGrid upset because I’m also taking joke too far.

James Tryon: 17:49 So it’s, it’s all in good fun, but it’s also like, since it is free work, I, it is a challenge. So I look at it like, so the patch was cool because what we haven’t done patches before. I wanted to try the, the embroidery side of things that I wanted to try it, you know, the new angle and try to make it look, boy, that real make mission patch would look. So, so the, the funness of that experiment and the restrictions of the, the admission patch plus include Disney, uh, without including Disney was a lot of fun. But the, the one where we’re showcasing Boldie, which you use is own as soon as also or was it your unofficial BoldGrid mascot to like to be able to leverage boldy with something with the Wapuu itself and kind of blend those two together but also then get to play with perspective and like, okay if this is a real banshee, like how big is that to compare to Wapuu.

James Tryon: 18:47 Uh, so it’s an interesting thing to be able to kind of like push that limit and push the limit of what Wapuu is cause I think both of your swag items, even though they have Wapuu on them, Wapuu isn’t like the main focus in neither is BoldGrid, it’s sort of like a, it’s definitely a swag item that was for those events or for, for the love of swag and Wapuu and all things conferences. But it’s definitely not, look at me, I’m BoldGrid. It’s more like brought to you by BoldGrid, uh, which was also a lot of fun. And it’s fun to be able to, you know, work with a, with a brand that’s a little bit more open to that stuff. So make sure it’s still representing, but also, you know, have fun with it because, you know, they are pretty limited runs. So I, you know, it, it was neat. It was a nice, it was experiment, it was a, it was now we have patches that we can offer and then when it comes to the banshee pin, you know, never created a banshee before. So I mean that was definitely a fun, you know, a fun thing to try. And I think, and they both turned out really well. Uh, so when my favorite swag,

Jesse: 19:55 so they’re, they’re limited runs. Did you have them numbered, you know, uh, 14 of, of a thousand or whatever.

James Tryon: 20:01 Uh, if we, if demo had his way, they would be, but they are, they are set up to say limited edition and they have like a thousand runner and they said, look, I live in addition to 50 or something like that on the back. I would have to look. But they, they are marked with limited edition and we are not planning on making more of them. Some of the other ones

Demo: 20:24 they are, yeah, they are stamped on the back with the limited edition not there, which I believe was the first time you stamp the back with an actual limited edition upper limit on a pin.

James Tryon: 20:34 Yeah. So like that was the first time we had done that. So like doing that it gets, he starts making you think about, okay, well let’s, can I start doing to the rest of the back of the pins? Um, so uh, last November I started adding the event Hashtag like you think I should been doing that from the very beginning, but I’m like, no, I can start adding the event Hashtag to the back of the pins to which is, which is cool. And this just shows the evolution of how these pins have been going.

Demo: 21:03 Yeah. And at WordCamp Europe, well we had to take a photo and post it on social media with Boldie at WordCamp Europe and we ran out of that like within like the first day we ran out of the entire run of the pins and we had a line, in fact, Serbia, uh, media actually interviewed us about with boldy there, uh, and talking about the pin. And that was a really cool experience because there was a, myself and Jayden and people love those pins and it was really cool to have something that could only ever be given out at that camp. People ask me now, oh, how do I get the baldy pin and when are you making more? And I’m like, we’re not because it was just a WordCamp Europe exclusive. Same for WordCamp Orlando. The patch, uh, was just for that. But I believed, uh, James, you still have a few of the patches left, correct?

James Tryon: 21:53 Oh, I have about 30 of those patches. And to be honest, I might have about five of those Bulgur and pans. But, but once you get down to the sub, you know, in the single digits like to me they’re almost off limits. You’re like, man, I hate for a fire to happen. I don’t have any more of these pins left and the archive. Uh, so, but yeah, well the patches, the patches themselves. Yeah, I probably have, Ooh, I got about 30 of them. So what I have been doing lately with the patches is eye every WordCamp that the order’s pins through us. I give them some other pins and I have been, since I don’t have enough to like really like really fairly Paso’s out. I’ve been passing one out. So like if you order pins from the camp, I’ve been putting one in those, uh, I took a couple to a WordCamp Miami for their kids can be and gave some of those out.

James Tryon: 22:42 So I’ve been in including them, kind of like a, like a bonus extra for anyone who’s been ordering large lots of pins lately. Uh, we also do other pins to like, I’ve, I mean, I know we’re not just about pans, but the pins or how we’ve been giving back, it’s sort of like a nice swag item for camps because they don’t have to worry about picking out which shirts are wasted water bottles or are like there, there were smaller swag item that don’t seem to go to waste even though they don’t really hold a lot of value. Uh, like some of the other swag items, uh, because of that, uh, some camps have started doing like limited edition. Like this is our 10th anniversary pen or let’s do a Wapuu Pin but also do our logo pins. So, uh, we do offer those services to WordCamps.

James Tryon: 23:27 So if they needed something that for their swag item that isn’t necessarily a Wapuu. Uh, and we only really do pin creation for WordCamps in Wapuu. Stuff like, I mean, we have the ability to do that for a living, but like we run an agency for a row for how we pay our bills. We do like real client work and stuff. So like pen work doesn’t really pay the bills, it’s just how we’re giving back. But yeah, anyway, that any WordCamp or any meetup or any really any brand looking to help grow their WordPress stuff, you know, we, we do offer those services.

Demo: 24:01 Excellent. And James, you’re a member of our Facebook user group team orange, correct? Correct. So maybe in the coming weeks if you join team orange with Jesse will tell you how to do in a minute. Uh, we could do a contest and maybe give out five of the patches to people in some kind of fun the way, um, that would be cool with you.

James Tryon: 24:22 Yeah. I mean, how could you, I’ll throw in a couple of pins to, so I’ll throw it, I’m like, so, so we can do like three pins in a patch for like five people maybe.

Demo: 24:31 Yeah. So in the coming weeks you can watch our team orange user group and Jesse, how do people join that? That does that. team orange. Awesome. So make sure you join that. It’s even if you’re not at bulk, good user. We want anyone that’s involved with WordPress or Internet marketing and have a safe place to talk about their issues and where it’s growing pretty well. So in the next couple of weeks we’ll do that contest. So keep an eye out for there and uh, um, we’re going to be giving you a chance to win one of five Wapuu prize bundles. So before we finish up, James, uh, we always ask people the share of fun WordCamp story or one of their favorite WordCamp stories. So do you have a WordCamp experience that you would like to share with our listeners?

James Tryon: 25:21 Oh man, this is a short podcast. We don’t have that much time. Uh, I don’t know all my, Oh, all my events that I get to hang out with, with Mike or are fun. I would say, uh, you know, I think one of the greatest WordCamp events that I’ve had so far is I, I personally, I like, and I would recommend anyone who’s traveling to do WordCamps, always extend your, stay an extra day, uh, and explore the city. Go do something fun or touristy there that you wouldn’t normally do. Cause a lot of times it will go and travel to WordCamp. We’ll just go, go to the city, do that. I mean go to the camp, do other thing and then leave a and you don’t really get to experience, um, what that has to offer. So, uh, we were in Nashville two years ago.

James Tryon: 26:13 Uh, it was Mike, myself and our friend Vincent. Uh, and we got to do a Madame Tussaud’s wax museum music theme. And we were pretty much the only people there. And we were, we walked in and the lady’s like, Oh, have a good time, feel free to touch. And we’re like, what we can. So I probably took at least 200 photos of like, you know, looking like kid rock punched me in the face or if we’re singing or playing music on the piano with, with famous musicians are, or all types of stuff. Like we were in there a long time. And then this lady was, the help was so nice, the older ladies where they were helping us and they were like, we did a photo shoot. So we hung out for a while and like, uh, I did a bunch of, uh, [inaudible] we got to play, you know, we weren’t costumes that were too small and like took a bunch of pictures and then none of them were that good.

James Tryon: 27:08 Uh, but we go in anyways. It was fun. Um, so it’s a hanging out and like doing that was, it was a lot of fun. I mean really what we tried to do, our I like to do, and I think Mike likes to this too, is try to get a couple people together. People you don’t necessarily know, just WordCamp people. Like, Hey, we’re going to go do this. You should show, come hang out. And I know we did that, uh, uh, to the Johnny Cash Museum, which was a lot of fun too, which is a small thing. You can do it in like an hour, but there was like, I think like about 10 of us there and we all got to check out all this stuff with Johnny Cash. We got to take a group photo, we got the lady to take pictures of Johnny Cash with our bags, you know, so it’s just little things like that that are fun. I think those are the best work. Safe stories for now.

Demo: 27:53 Uh, yeah. We also in Nashville last year we did a tour of where we had our limited edition art print made, the hatch show print shop, which was very interesting too.

James Tryon: 28:02 That was probably one of my favorite things I’ve ever done on at a WordCamp. It was just neat to see the history and how they reuse the all the block prints and how they like, oh this block prints no good anymore. Let’s make a shelf or I need a smaller one. Let me take the shelf apart and re Croft carve something. So yeah, that was, that was a great experience. And then I actually got a two. We will, we both got to make a print. So I have my print hanging in my office, so it’s a, that was, and then I got to get a hatch show pen of course. So, uh,

Demo: 28:35 did you a, you of course you hanged up. You’re the BoldGrid, uh, where it can’t be us as well, right?

James Tryon: 28:42 Oh No, I didn’t win that. I owe you didn’t win. Oh, I, I wanted it and I did it a winning enough. Sandy. Sandy Edwards says she has had one. Uh, and I was, I was planning on taking hers, but I did not

Jesse: 28:59 get you an address after the show. James, we’ll send one to you. I’ve got a few. Nice,

Demo: 29:04 excellent. Yeah, because what we did is we had a spin, uh, spin to win contest. We could win different types of prizes, including a limited numbered, um, art print from hat show, which is inside the country music hall of fame. And Yeah, James, we always try to get together and hang out. Like every time I’m in Orlando, La area, we always try to get together at trader Sam’s enchanted Tiki Bar, which we’ve had some fun experiences at our trader Sam’s over the years, haven’t we?

James Tryon: 29:32 Uh, yes. Um, it’s been, it’s one of my favorite bars in Orlando. Uh, it’s much nicer to go with a group of people or hang out with Mike when you can get a nice direct, uh, uh, quote minivan to the, to the it’s Polynesian versus trying to park there. I have a Florida resident, uh, but they don’t really enjoy Florida residents coming in and using their facilities without also being a, uh, staying at the hotel. So we get that nerdy that that mean look and like you got an hour, but we always go, so.

Jesse: 30:11 Okay. So how many demo points is a townie visit to trader Sam’s worth?

James Tryon: 30:17 Uh, I don’t, I, I, I don’t know. Are you, what do you,

Demo: 30:25 oh well it’s bro. We had to look at the chart because going to it to going to a Tiki establishment is one thing is so many points, but then going into a hidden establishment, which I think we would agree that grog grotto part of trader Sam’s, the inside part is hidden because it’s not well marked. The Pat, the outside part is what a lot of people end up at the muggles and the inside grog grotto. So then you get points for that. And then if you bought your Mug, which says mugs are limited edition, you get something that’s limited edition. So I don’t, I think it would just depend on what your activities were of that night and for that change. Do you want to explain what Demo points are?

James Tryon: 31:07 Uh, yeah, so a demo point is whenever you do something that that might demo would do, uh, to an extent. And it also started as one of those, as one of those fun trolls were like, Mike would be like, oh, I’m at a Tiki bar. We’re like, oh, of course you are Oz type situation.

Demo: 31:28 I was just in Vienna and I found a Tiki bar. And you posted, yeah.

James Tryon: 31:34 So it’s sort of story like it’s Sorta sorta like that. And then his wife got into it a little bit and we started sort of like faking it, faking this thing where we’re like assigning point values for doing things. It’s like, oh you did this. That’s worth one point. Or you or a Mike corrected you on facts but a nice way. So that’s worth one demo point, you know, like Oh, you know, little things like that. So I honestly, I’ve been really busy so I could give you a real answer. I have to pull up the archive. Uh, there is an archive post. We are going to be making this more of an official, a rule list. Uh, so you can do things like, like scheduling a, so we call like we do something called Hashtag scheduling a demo, which means like if you were doing something towards the, so Monday I went to the zoo with my kid for his birthday, so I would be scheduling a demo.

James Tryon: 32:27 Oh yeah. This is all just a fun joke. But it was more like, oh, you start doing something or you go into, so we started adding points to things. So we’re like, all of our friends are starting to get it. So there’s some of our friends have Disney passes so they’ll go to downtown Disney and the like, oh, I’m doing this five demo points. So now people are starting to award themselves demo points where I think, I don’t know if you should be awarding yourself demo points. I think demo points have to be awarded to you. Uh,

Demo: 32:54 yeah. Speaking of which, are friend with Disney passes, at least the ones you’re referring to in Florida, they don’t go to downtown Disney. They go to Disney Springs.

Jesse: 33:04 See, he just corrected your facts in a very nice way.

James Tryon: 33:08 Yeah. See that’s demo. Just earned another demo point used to be called downtown Disney. Uh, but they changed it now

Demo: 33:16 in about Disneyland. If you talking about Disney land in California, that’s still downtown Disney. And if you’re talking about Disneyland, Paris, that the Disney village.

James Tryon: 33:26 Yeah, see I was, I was just referring to Orlando and I was wrong.

Demo: 33:33 Well, cool. Well, thanks so much for hanging out with us, James. How can people find the Wapuu website? Find your Twitter find Wapuus Twitter, um, and anything else you would like to let people know.

James Tryon: 33:43 Yeah. Uh, I’m online on pretty much all the social platforms @JamesTryon. Uh, then you can find anything related to Wapuus, uh, on Twitter at Wapuus Wap, u u s, uh, on Facebook pretty much, uh, at your next local WordCamp. I know that I’m going to personally be speaking at WordCamp Jacksonville coming up. I’m actually on wall pose and then I’ll be at WordCamp Atlanta, uh, at a community table, I believe. No, with some, you know, to talk about Wapuus and get people more involved there as well. So I’ll be at a couple of WordCamps coming up and then you can find me on social

Demo: 34:26 excellent. And James at WordCamp Atlanta, we need to go to trader Vic’s Tiki bar.

James Tryon: 34:31 Um, I’ll do that, but I’m also going to the, to the Jim Hansen puppetry museum if you want to go do that with me. Yeah, we just scheduled a demo and we did just schedule a demo

Demo: 34:44 either before or after the camp on like the travel days. Uh, we can figure something out. But yeah, trader Vic’s is the original Tiki bar in southern California. That started the trend. That one’s close, but then it became a franchise and there’s only a couple still left once in London, but there’s one in Atlanta is still. So, um, you can go to what is the brand of the original Tiki bar. Uh, so Jesse, how can people follow all the BoldGrid happenings online?

Jesse: 35:11 So, uh, you can follow us on Twitter @BoldGrid. Uh, same thing on Facebook, Um, and our group at team orange,

Demo: 35:26 my Twitter account, which is where I do most of my postings is @mpmike, m, p, m, I, k, e and Jesse. What’s your Twitter

Jesse: 35:34 that has @jessecowens. Please

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